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Things I should be doing instead of writing up this post:
- finishing my last paper of the semester
- studying for Chem tomorrow
- writing my yuletide
- UM, ANYTHING?
So I kind of want to talk about Harry Potter again (sooooooorry) and how I think the epilogue is so much better when you're not a) reading it for the first time and b) interpreting "all was well" as "happily ever after". Because it isn't happily ever after-- they lost so many. It's about how if the survivors cannot enjoy life, what was the sacrifice of the dead for?
OKAY BUT YOU GUYS! I feel like between this and my drunken confession to reading Next Gen fanfic last weekend I am coming off as some weird psychopath (...because who else reads Next Gen fanfic? I MEAN REALLY? All I wanted was stories about 11-year-olds discovering hoggy warty Hogwarts and having dumb adventures, but all there is is like... a bunch of people who can't let go of their Draco/__________ pairing continuing it on with Draco/[child of __________] porn). I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I am having fun with my mini-Harry Potter phase, because like, I haven't felt this way since Deathly Hallows came out and even thaaaaaat was pretty much just excitement stretching from the OotP movie to the discussion
superskittles76 and I had over Tex-Mex a couple of days after the book was released. I totally used to write Harry Potter fanfic, and once it was done it actually felt like I was totally over it. Like actually completely forever only passingly interested in Harry Potter. But silly self, you don't get over these things for good.
ANYWAY WHAT THIS POST IS ACTUALLY ABOUT IS THE POTTER FAMILY NAMES-- James Sirius, Albus Severus, and Lily Luna, because I HATE THEM LIKE BURNING. Part of that is maybe me being neurotic, because it actually drives me a little batty that like, every baby ever born in fiction is named after someone. LIFE DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY, friends. And I would like to demonstrate that with a poll!
I know a lot of you actively think about what you would name your kids (
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I... don't mean to belittle anyone that does want to name someone after someone. I think it is a lovely, lovely way to honor someone important to you (I found out recently that my favorite Aunt Monti is named for a Professor Montague that my Nana was especially affected by, which I think is so lovely), what I take issue with is the frequency with which it happens in fiction. It's like anytime anyone pops a kid out it has to be named for someone, they cannot be bothered to come up with their own names. (It is lovely, though, in the West Wing when Toby calls his baby girl Molly after the dead secret service agent.)
I guess the other thing is that they're all Harry's names he wants to give to honor all the dead in his life, and it just... doesn't sound like Ginny had much input at allllll in what to name them. You know? She lost family too, but the scope of people represented in the little Potter's names is all Harry. Something about that really kind of bothers me. (BUT, on the other hand, I think a legitimate argument can be made that Ginny recognizes that having kids and a family means... not necessarily more to Harry than it would to her, but it's special to her, the youngest of seven, in a different way than it would be to little orphan Harry, who has always craved that family connection. It's like Scully and Mulder! And the way poor, emotionally abandoned Mulder really desperately would like a family, but Scully has grown up in a big family with brothers named Bill and Charlie and even if she would like kids, Exceeeeeept it's not like Scully and Mulder at all, because Mulder does not view himself as deserving of that family, and they weren't supposed to have kids. BUT STILL, I think Scully named William for Mulder's William and not her Williams for the exact reason that Ginny might let Harry give all her kids really awful names.)
Hi my name is Alexandra and sometimes I like to write up six long paragraphs about something everybody already agrees with anyway/doesn't even think about anymore and post them on the internet.
P.S. LAST NIGHT'S CHUCK WAS AMAZING.
- finishing my last paper of the semester
- studying for Chem tomorrow
- writing my yuletide
- UM, ANYTHING?
So I kind of want to talk about Harry Potter again (sooooooorry) and how I think the epilogue is so much better when you're not a) reading it for the first time and b) interpreting "all was well" as "happily ever after". Because it isn't happily ever after-- they lost so many. It's about how if the survivors cannot enjoy life, what was the sacrifice of the dead for?
OKAY BUT YOU GUYS! I feel like between this and my drunken confession to reading Next Gen fanfic last weekend I am coming off as some weird psychopath (...because who else reads Next Gen fanfic? I MEAN REALLY? All I wanted was stories about 11-year-olds discovering hoggy warty Hogwarts and having dumb adventures, but all there is is like... a bunch of people who can't let go of their Draco/__________ pairing continuing it on with Draco/[child of __________] porn). I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I am having fun with my mini-Harry Potter phase, because like, I haven't felt this way since Deathly Hallows came out and even thaaaaaat was pretty much just excitement stretching from the OotP movie to the discussion
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ANYWAY WHAT THIS POST IS ACTUALLY ABOUT IS THE POTTER FAMILY NAMES-- James Sirius, Albus Severus, and Lily Luna, because I HATE THEM LIKE BURNING. Part of that is maybe me being neurotic, because it actually drives me a little batty that like, every baby ever born in fiction is named after someone. LIFE DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY, friends. And I would like to demonstrate that with a poll!
I know a lot of you actively think about what you would name your kids (
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[Poll #1316344]
I... don't mean to belittle anyone that does want to name someone after someone. I think it is a lovely, lovely way to honor someone important to you (I found out recently that my favorite Aunt Monti is named for a Professor Montague that my Nana was especially affected by, which I think is so lovely), what I take issue with is the frequency with which it happens in fiction. It's like anytime anyone pops a kid out it has to be named for someone, they cannot be bothered to come up with their own names. (It is lovely, though, in the West Wing when Toby calls his baby girl Molly after the dead secret service agent.)
I guess the other thing is that they're all Harry's names he wants to give to honor all the dead in his life, and it just... doesn't sound like Ginny had much input at allllll in what to name them. You know? She lost family too, but the scope of people represented in the little Potter's names is all Harry. Something about that really kind of bothers me. (BUT, on the other hand, I think a legitimate argument can be made that Ginny recognizes that having kids and a family means... not necessarily more to Harry than it would to her, but it's special to her, the youngest of seven, in a different way than it would be to little orphan Harry, who has always craved that family connection. It's like Scully and Mulder! And the way poor, emotionally abandoned Mulder really desperately would like a family, but Scully has grown up in a big family with brothers named Bill and Charlie and even if she would like kids, Exceeeeeept it's not like Scully and Mulder at all, because Mulder does not view himself as deserving of that family, and they weren't supposed to have kids. BUT STILL, I think Scully named William for Mulder's William and not her Williams for the exact reason that Ginny might let Harry give all her kids really awful names.)
Hi my name is Alexandra and sometimes I like to write up six long paragraphs about something everybody already agrees with anyway/doesn't even think about anymore and post them on the internet.
P.S. LAST NIGHT'S CHUCK WAS AMAZING.
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Date: 2008-12-16 11:10 pm (UTC)But although I can't really talk about Harry Potter... Leo, Noah and Joanie Lyman, anyone? Noah I can get with. Joan I can get with as a middle name. Leo, or the feminine versions thereof? Not so much.
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Date: 2008-12-16 11:19 pm (UTC)OH MY GOD, IN EVERY SINGLE JOSH/DONNA FIC WHERE THEY HAVE KIDS THE NAMES MAKE ME SO ANGRY >:( I totally agree with that whole paragraph, I think people vastly overestimate the importance of Leo in Josh's life. I mean, no, he was incredibly important to Josh, but not so much that when he had a kid he would go "OKAY, WELL, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO NAME MY SON/DAUGHTER AFTER THIS DUDE?"
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Date: 2008-12-16 11:16 pm (UTC)THIS IS WHY I LOVE YOU. And I completely agree (does that even need to be said?) and that's why I'm so obsessed with that whole aspect of their characters. Particularly Mulder's guilt complex, which although people tend to go overboard and attribute everything about his character to it, I think you're dead on in saying he doesn't think he deserves that family. AND THAT, LADIES AND GENTLEMAN, IS WHY MULDER IS A BEAUTIFUL FUCKED UP MAN.
And about names...I'm purposefully not letting myself get too emotionally attached to specific names because being the fifth child in my family, I don't want to have my heart set on anything only to find that an older sibling STOLE IT TO NAME THEIR CHILD. Life is so unfairrrrrr sometimes.
I...also agree with all your Potter ramblings, so!
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Date: 2008-12-16 11:31 pm (UTC)YEAH, UH, BIG SURPRISE, I totally agree. There's so much more to Mulder than a guilt complex, but I think the guilt is so much of why he acts like all he ever wants is to lie on his couch and chase spaceships and eat sunflower seeds-- he's not allowed to want a family until he's saved Samantha and saved the world. And that's what the Sixth Extinction is all about. I know we've discussed the degree to which they both want families/how Scully's infertility affects that/wanting to get out the car, like, a ZILLION AND ONE TIMES, but it's so interesting. IN CONCLUSION: I LOVE HIM.
Haaaaaa, as the oldest I don't even have to think about it. My two years younger sister isn't a problem either, she's dead set on giving her kids names like Penelope or Sebastian.
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Date: 2008-12-16 11:17 pm (UTC)But I agree - I always felt Ginny got a little shafted, and it just seems too ~cutesy~ to name all their kids, first AND middle after family and friends - of Harry. I think Ron and Hermione did a better job, even if Rose and Hugo means they all start with H or R, but that's okay. They're still their own names, not names that previously belonged to someone else and thus carry a whole lot of baggage.
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Date: 2008-12-16 11:36 pm (UTC)Yeah, I can deal with Rose and Hugo. That in combination with all of Harry's kids makes me think Rowling is a little too cutesy, but you're absolutely right about the baggage.
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Date: 2008-12-16 11:25 pm (UTC)I'd probably do the same for my kids, when I have them, so it depends on who in my family has passed on by the time I'm having kids.
(I hope that makes sense, I'm feeling inarticulate today.)
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Date: 2008-12-16 11:33 pm (UTC)AND YES, CHUCK WAS SO AMAZING LAST NIGHT AHHH.
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Date: 2008-12-16 11:44 pm (UTC)Especially for posts like this-- I do think the names are a bit much. I would understand somehow paying some amount of homage to both Sirius and to Dumbledore, as those two men were undeniably the center of Harry's upbringing and his biggest emotional connection to others, but I dunno..it is a little OTT, I guess.
I do like that M&S's kid is William, because it does work for them both without being too nutso. I mean, really, who would be HONOURING Bill Mulder? Uhh...no one. He sucked. But I do think it's a nice way to honour the gravity of the Bills in their lives, and plus it's just a classic name.
I do have my kids' names picked out, but they're not FOR anyone. That's just cos I like the names.
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Date: 2008-12-16 11:52 pm (UTC)And yeah I liked William too-- especially since he's Will and not Bill, like any of the others. And I liked that Tom and B'Elanna named their daughter Miral. I meaaaaaaan, I like a lot of them individually, I just find it incredibly obnoxious that like, every time a baby is born on TV, it gets named after someone. THAT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT THE WAY IT WORKS.
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Date: 2008-12-17 12:14 am (UTC)It's like Scully and Mulder! And the way poor, emotionally abandoned Mulder really desperately would like a family, but Scully has grown up in a big family with brothers named Bill and Charlie and even if she would like kids, Exceeeeeept it's not like Scully and Mulder at all, because Mulder does not view himself as deserving of that family, and they weren't supposed to have kids. BUT STILL, I think Scully named William for Mulder's William and not her Williams for the exact reason that Ginny might let Harry give all her kids really awful names.
UGH, I WANT TO GO CRY NOW. I wish and wish that the series had just ended with Existence, because it makes sense from a narrative point of view. (Well, one that isn't Chris Carter's, I guess. I thought I had totally gotten over what I disliked about IWTB, but apparently I'm meh on it again. ANYWAY.) Have you read By Falling In and In by
As for the HP names, I think I'm neutral on them, but I totally understand why everyone else thinks they're a bit too much, since, well, they are.
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Date: 2008-12-17 12:28 am (UTC)I have read that and you pretty much articulated exactly how I feel about it-- although I don't know, the colonization at the end was kind of weirdly handled and kind of put me of it-- I hate it when they get saved because of CSM, and just kind of let the world crumble at their feet without fighting it, however unreasonable fighting it may be? And LOL, THE NURSERY FILES. I have a draft saved in gmail of all the decent to palatable stories I found there (although it was for my personal reference, so it doesn't include the faves that I will not lose/stuff that was already in my del.icio.us). If you get desperate I can send it to you and you will not have to lower yourself to the actually exploring the Nursery Files?
BUT YES, Existence. I think if they had ended it there it would not have been standing on its best foot (the way ending it with Requiem could have? Season 7 isn't greaaat, but Je Souhaite and Requiem are), but it would have been standing, where season 9 and IWTB have really really dragged it down completely. GOD, I JUST WANTED THEM TO BE HAPPY :(
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Date: 2008-12-17 12:16 am (UTC)To be fair, though, I don't really have much of an extended family or even like the ones I have, and some of them have weird as hell old-school Hebrew names. So I don't know. MAYBE MY CHILDREN WILL GO FORTH FORGING NEW IDENTITIES. PERHAPS.
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Date: 2008-12-17 12:35 am (UTC)I LIKE YOUR JOSEPH PLAN, THOUGH.
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Date: 2008-12-17 12:17 am (UTC)I... always intend to come back to posts like this and then I forget or get overwhelmed, so I figured I would AT LEAST say this much!
ALSO. I NEVER REALIZED THE BILL AND CHARLIE WEASLEY/SCULLY THING BEFORE AND I THINK MY MIND JUST MADE A POOFING NOISE.
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Date: 2008-12-17 12:36 am (UTC)Bill and Charlie crack me up but no one ever finds it as funny as I do. I'M GLAD YOU DO.
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Date: 2008-12-17 12:19 am (UTC)Also I think the epilogue names were all in honor of the more major characters who'd passed/faded away and the only one Ginny could have really contributed from her side was Fred, and George gets that one.
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Date: 2008-12-17 12:20 am (UTC)But! In any case, my dad has been listening to the Harry Potter audiobooks (he wants to re-read all of them before the next movie but doesn't have time to read them, so) and while I'm in the care I listen. And while I don't think I'll like the epilogue any more this time around, the rest of it is JUST AS MAGICAL as the very first time and it's definitely making me want to get back into Harry Potter again. I don't know, I might have to re-read all of them and get back in to the fandom. It was so sad when the series ended so it would be very nice to be able to do that.
Also the names fail. Like other people have said, one or two tributes to a couple different people would be one thing. But making it EVERY SINGLE first and middle name? No one accused Harry of being original I guess.
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Date: 2008-12-17 12:41 am (UTC)LOLING SO HARD.
Rereading is what I've been doing, I don't know what it is but all the sudden I MISS IT ALL. Too bad I can't find my Chamber of Secrets!
AND YES, exactly.
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Date: 2008-12-17 12:23 am (UTC)Also Harry's kids' names are fucking retarded, not because they're not original but because jesus christ, Albus Severus? Who DOES that?
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Date: 2008-12-17 12:46 am (UTC)Albus Severus totally gets the sticky end of the popsicle stick, James and Lily, separately, are not so bad?
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Date: 2008-12-17 12:58 am (UTC)Anyway, I totally agree with you on the Harry Potter thing although I actually forgot the epilogue ever existed.
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THE NAME THING BOTHERS ME SO MUCH, OMG
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Date: 2008-12-17 01:54 am (UTC)No but really, that's such a nice thing to say, THANK YOU.
BUT YES, IT'S HORRIBLE.
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Date: 2008-12-17 02:05 am (UTC)I HAD TROUBLE answering your poll though. Because I am kind of named after people, but kind of not. See, my family is Catholic and it's Catholic tradition that your children are all named after saints in some way. I'm the oldest, and my mom wanted to name me after the Virgin Mary but Mary/Maria were out because my dad has a cousin Maria who's a bitch (his exact words) and his sister is Maryann. So they decided to name me Grace after Our Lady of Grace. My middle name is Elizabeth after Lizzy from Pride & Prejudice. BUT EVERYONE IN THE WORLD'S MIDDLE NAME IS ELIZABETH, so I have added my Confirmation name into my legal name (unofficially, I suppose) because I find it lame when everyone can guess my middle name right away :-P
I have a good idea of what I might name my (VERY HYPOTHETICAL) future children and I could see myself maybe using my grandmother's name in some way because growing up, I was closer to my grandmother than I am to my mother... But probably only as a middle name.
Anyway, that is my story. Your posts = win. :D
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Date: 2008-12-17 02:53 am (UTC)That's actually really cool that you were named for Lizzy Bennett, though, I think.
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Date: 2008-12-17 02:55 am (UTC)I'd like my kids to have middle names after family members or really close friends. My first daughter's middle name will definitely be Catherine after my grandmother. I was super close with her and she meant a lot to me. I'm really glad she had a nice name that sounds good with all of the first names I like. But seriously, even if her name was like, Hildegarde I'd use it-- that's how important she was to me. I don't know who else I'd honor though. There are a few people I'd consider, but I don't know.
AND NO I CANNOT EVEN TALK ABOUT THE HARRY POTTER CHILDREN. THOSE NAMES ARE ONE OF THE MANY, MANY REASONS I PRETEND THAT EPILOGUE DOES NOT EXIST.
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Date: 2008-12-17 03:15 am (UTC)OH YOU'RE HARRY/HERMIONE TOO? There are so many of you guys, WHAT.
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Date: 2008-12-17 07:43 am (UTC)But yeah, I don't know if those actually count for being named for someone or not. I mean, no, I think your grandmother's middle name definitely does count, but... hmm.
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Date: 2008-12-17 06:42 am (UTC)My sister has a family name too, but hers is much the same as mine. In fact, I think my mother actually wanted to name her Matilda Rose but my dad hated Matilda, so she become Rose Monique. My sisters and I all have Dutch middle names (rather, names commanly used in Holland, as opposed to traditionally Dutch).
RE: CHUCK. Saraaaaaah. Last night was incredible! I'm glad Ellie and Awesome were there because I hate them being shafted for the (admittedly entertaining, but markedly less-awesome) Buy More crew.
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Date: 2008-12-17 07:55 am (UTC)Oh my goodness, I know, it was such an incredible episode. I cannot get over that moment at the end where Sarah walked in after everything, and then steeled her face with a smile for Chuck. There was a brief moment where I expected Chuck to swoosh in and accidentally sort of save her from that Fulcrum agent, and that would have been fine and it would have been a lovely enough episode, but then they hit us with that ton of bricks, and I just, wow. Funny how something I usually just describe as "delightful!" can be totally and completely heartwrenching sometimes.
And I agreeeeee, I was so glad Ellie and Awesome were there too, I love them so much, and it is annoying that the Buy More crew get more sideplots than they do.
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Date: 2008-12-17 07:13 am (UTC)I don't see anything wrong with naming your kids after people important to you, but JK took it too far with the Potters. It's just so ridiculous sounding. I agree with you, it sounds like Ginny had like, no say in it, although like you, I see where she'd be all, eh whatever let harry have his thing, but at the same time, that's crap. Maybe she'd want to name the kids after her uncles or Fred (although George did both of those lol) or something. The only one that sounds like she had a part in it is Lily Luna, which is the STUPIDEST ONE because hello, why are we honoring LUNA? You know Ginny and Harry weren't all OMG GREAT NAME so IDEK. Ugh, I haven't reread DH since it came out so I'm still irrationally angry about it all D:
TEXMEX HEE :D
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Date: 2008-12-17 09:55 pm (UTC)Yeah, that's pretty much EXACTLY how I feel. And I KNOW, like... Luna was there, but... I have no idea what she did to manage to kid a kid named after her. It's absolutely ridiculous.
DAMN IT, now I'm craving it :(
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Date: 2008-12-17 08:01 am (UTC)At this stage in my life, there's no one I would really name future/fictional children after. It could change; maybe I'll look at my family tree and discover a kickass name (or, alternatively, a kickass great, great relative), but I suppose, with these sort of things, you never know until you're faced with that sort of choice.
(As for your examples, the dishonor of the worst case of family naming I would have come across in fiction would be Ms Myer and the demon spawn 'Renesmee', which is just another form of ridiculousness that is best forgotten. :D)
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Date: 2008-12-17 10:01 pm (UTC)I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT RENESMEE. That was truly horrific, I agree.
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Date: 2008-12-17 04:50 pm (UTC)SO.CONFLICTED.
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