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Things I should be doing instead of writing up this post:
- finishing my last paper of the semester
- studying for Chem tomorrow
- writing my yuletide
- UM, ANYTHING?

So I kind of want to talk about Harry Potter again (sooooooorry) and how I think the epilogue is so much better when you're not a) reading it for the first time and b) interpreting "all was well" as "happily ever after". Because it isn't happily ever after-- they lost so many. It's about how if the survivors cannot enjoy life, what was the sacrifice of the dead for?

OKAY BUT YOU GUYS! I feel like between this and my drunken confession to reading Next Gen fanfic last weekend I am coming off as some weird psychopath (...because who else reads Next Gen fanfic? I MEAN REALLY? All I wanted was stories about 11-year-olds discovering hoggy warty Hogwarts and having dumb adventures, but all there is is like... a bunch of people who can't let go of their Draco/__________ pairing continuing it on with Draco/[child of __________] porn). I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I am having fun with my mini-Harry Potter phase, because like, I haven't felt this way since Deathly Hallows came out and even thaaaaaat was pretty much just excitement stretching from the OotP movie to the discussion [livejournal.com profile] superskittles76 and I had over Tex-Mex a couple of days after the book was released. I totally used to write Harry Potter fanfic, and once it was done it actually felt like I was totally over it. Like actually completely forever only passingly interested in Harry Potter. But silly self, you don't get over these things for good.

ANYWAY WHAT THIS POST IS ACTUALLY ABOUT IS THE POTTER FAMILY NAMES-- James Sirius, Albus Severus, and Lily Luna, because I HATE THEM LIKE BURNING. Part of that is maybe me being neurotic, because it actually drives me a little batty that like, every baby ever born in fiction is named after someone. LIFE DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY, friends. And I would like to demonstrate that with a poll!

I know a lot of you actively think about what you would name your kids ([livejournal.com profile] captaincatapult and [livejournal.com profile] goldenmelisande did their own polling to this effect pretty recently): is that because you think they're beautiful names, or is it because you want to honor someone in your life?


[Poll #1316344]

I... don't mean to belittle anyone that does want to name someone after someone. I think it is a lovely, lovely way to honor someone important to you (I found out recently that my favorite Aunt Monti is named for a Professor Montague that my Nana was especially affected by, which I think is so lovely), what I take issue with is the frequency with which it happens in fiction. It's like anytime anyone pops a kid out it has to be named for someone, they cannot be bothered to come up with their own names. (It is lovely, though, in the West Wing when Toby calls his baby girl Molly after the dead secret service agent.)

I guess the other thing is that they're all Harry's names he wants to give to honor all the dead in his life, and it just... doesn't sound like Ginny had much input at allllll in what to name them. You know? She lost family too, but the scope of people represented in the little Potter's names is all Harry. Something about that really kind of bothers me. (BUT, on the other hand, I think a legitimate argument can be made that Ginny recognizes that having kids and a family means... not necessarily more to Harry than it would to her, but it's special to her, the youngest of seven, in a different way than it would be to little orphan Harry, who has always craved that family connection. It's like Scully and Mulder! And the way poor, emotionally abandoned Mulder really desperately would like a family, but Scully has grown up in a big family with brothers named Bill and Charlie and even if she would like kids, Exceeeeeept it's not like Scully and Mulder at all, because Mulder does not view himself as deserving of that family, and they weren't supposed to have kids. BUT STILL, I think Scully named William for Mulder's William and not her Williams for the exact reason that Ginny might let Harry give all her kids really awful names.)

Hi my name is Alexandra and sometimes I like to write up six long paragraphs about something everybody already agrees with anyway/doesn't even think about anymore and post them on the internet.

P.S. LAST NIGHT'S CHUCK WAS AMAZING.
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Date: 2008-12-16 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] so-bambiesque.livejournal.com
My middle name is Elizabeth because that's my Nan's middle name because she was born on the day that the Queen was christened... or the other way around. But that's definitely becoming a family name now. I know at least one of my sister's wants to give a daughter the middle name Elizabeth, and my cousin gave his daughter that middle name. I think my youngest sister's middle name is Ann because it was my other Grandma's middle name, but I'm not 100% sure of that.

But although I can't really talk about Harry Potter... Leo, Noah and Joanie Lyman, anyone? Noah I can get with. Joan I can get with as a middle name. Leo, or the feminine versions thereof? Not so much.

Date: 2008-12-16 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
That's interesting though that it's sort of becoming a family name.

OH MY GOD, IN EVERY SINGLE JOSH/DONNA FIC WHERE THEY HAVE KIDS THE NAMES MAKE ME SO ANGRY >:( I totally agree with that whole paragraph, I think people vastly overestimate the importance of Leo in Josh's life. I mean, no, he was incredibly important to Josh, but not so much that when he had a kid he would go "OKAY, WELL, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO NAME MY SON/DAUGHTER AFTER THIS DUDE?"

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Date: 2008-12-16 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adinfinitum.livejournal.com
It's like Scully and Mulder! And the way poor, emotionally abandoned Mulder really desperately would like a family, but Scully has grown up in a big family with brothers named Bill and Charlie and even if she would like kids, Exceeeeeept it's not like Scully and Mulder at all, because Mulder does not view himself as deserving of that family, and they weren't supposed to have kids. BUT STILL, I think Scully named William for Mulder's William and not her Williams for the exact reason that Ginny might let Harry give all her kids really awful names.
THIS IS WHY I LOVE YOU. And I completely agree (does that even need to be said?) and that's why I'm so obsessed with that whole aspect of their characters. Particularly Mulder's guilt complex, which although people tend to go overboard and attribute everything about his character to it, I think you're dead on in saying he doesn't think he deserves that family. AND THAT, LADIES AND GENTLEMAN, IS WHY MULDER IS A BEAUTIFUL FUCKED UP MAN.

And about names...I'm purposefully not letting myself get too emotionally attached to specific names because being the fifth child in my family, I don't want to have my heart set on anything only to find that an older sibling STOLE IT TO NAME THEIR CHILD. Life is so unfairrrrrr sometimes.

I...also agree with all your Potter ramblings, so!

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Date: 2008-12-16 11:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
Particularly Mulder's guilt complex, which although people tend to go overboard and attribute everything about his character to it, I think you're dead on in saying he doesn't think he deserves that family.
YEAH, UH, BIG SURPRISE, I totally agree. There's so much more to Mulder than a guilt complex, but I think the guilt is so much of why he acts like all he ever wants is to lie on his couch and chase spaceships and eat sunflower seeds-- he's not allowed to want a family until he's saved Samantha and saved the world. And that's what the Sixth Extinction is all about. I know we've discussed the degree to which they both want families/how Scully's infertility affects that/wanting to get out the car, like, a ZILLION AND ONE TIMES, but it's so interesting. IN CONCLUSION: I LOVE HIM.

Haaaaaa, as the oldest I don't even have to think about it. My two years younger sister isn't a problem either, she's dead set on giving her kids names like Penelope or Sebastian.

Date: 2008-12-16 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stepliana.livejournal.com
My middle name is my mother's maiden name - which is a Filipino thing, I think, but I know of other families that have done the same thing. When I was growing up, I was a little jealous of my friends who had the 'normal' middle names, like Marie, or Lynn, or whatever, but I like it now, it's unique. I think I might do the same thing for my kids, but we'll see.

But I agree - I always felt Ginny got a little shafted, and it just seems too ~cutesy~ to name all their kids, first AND middle after family and friends - of Harry. I think Ron and Hermione did a better job, even if Rose and Hugo means they all start with H or R, but that's okay. They're still their own names, not names that previously belonged to someone else and thus carry a whole lot of baggage.

Date: 2008-12-16 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
Oh! Do all the kids get the mother's maiden name or just one of them (the oldest?) That is nice, I like that.

Yeah, I can deal with Rose and Hugo. That in combination with all of Harry's kids makes me think Rowling is a little too cutesy, but you're absolutely right about the baggage.

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Date: 2008-12-16 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] afrocurl.livejournal.com
Being Jewish, I'm named after a dead relative (not exactly, but close enough.) My grandma's name started with R and so does mine. There was another thing we did because she had two names, so my middle name is also tied to that (and in point of fact, my first name does that but in one world.)

I'd probably do the same for my kids, when I have them, so it depends on who in my family has passed on by the time I'm having kids.

(I hope that makes sense, I'm feeling inarticulate today.)

Date: 2008-12-16 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
It makes sense! I like the idea of choosing the letter but not the name for someone-- that's a nice way to pass something on without going overboard.

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Date: 2008-12-16 11:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shimmeryshine.livejournal.com
I'm not hugely into Harry Potter, but I so agree that the naming thing was a little much! I mean, maybe a middle name, but not BOTH FOR EVERY CHILD. Yeesh.

AND YES, CHUCK WAS SO AMAZING LAST NIGHT AHHH.

Date: 2008-12-16 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
OH MY GOD WASN'T IT??? Chuck never disappoints me though, if there were less ~Buy More employee~ plots it would be PERFECT TO ME.

Date: 2008-12-16 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] veils.livejournal.com
I AM GOING TO NAME ALL MY CHILDREN MICKEY.

Date: 2008-12-16 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
EXCEPT FOR ALEXANDRA GILLIAN, AMIRITE?

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Date: 2008-12-16 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whalelines.livejournal.com
I don't tell you I love you enough, but I do! I LOVE YOU!

Especially for posts like this-- I do think the names are a bit much. I would understand somehow paying some amount of homage to both Sirius and to Dumbledore, as those two men were undeniably the center of Harry's upbringing and his biggest emotional connection to others, but I dunno..it is a little OTT, I guess.

I do like that M&S's kid is William, because it does work for them both without being too nutso. I mean, really, who would be HONOURING Bill Mulder? Uhh...no one. He sucked. But I do think it's a nice way to honour the gravity of the Bills in their lives, and plus it's just a classic name.

I do have my kids' names picked out, but they're not FOR anyone. That's just cos I like the names.

Date: 2008-12-16 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
Yeah, I understand Sirius and Dumbledore. Even Snape, to an extent-- I mean, I don't necessarily think he deserved it the way the other two did, but I can understand why Harry would want to do that. I think James and Lily and Luna were wholly unnecessary to pay tribute to, though.

And yeah I liked William too-- especially since he's Will and not Bill, like any of the others. And I liked that Tom and B'Elanna named their daughter Miral. I meaaaaaaan, I like a lot of them individually, I just find it incredibly obnoxious that like, every time a baby is born on TV, it gets named after someone. THAT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT THE WAY IT WORKS.

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Date: 2008-12-17 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ofadoration.livejournal.com
I was sortakinda named for my dad -- I was born three months premature, aaaand my parents were pretty sure they were having a boy, so they had boy names picked out, but no girl names. I was sort of named on the spot. I'm kind of worried I'm going to overcompensate for having a plain first name (not that I hate it or anything) when it comes to naming my kids. :/

It's like Scully and Mulder! And the way poor, emotionally abandoned Mulder really desperately would like a family, but Scully has grown up in a big family with brothers named Bill and Charlie and even if she would like kids, Exceeeeeept it's not like Scully and Mulder at all, because Mulder does not view himself as deserving of that family, and they weren't supposed to have kids. BUT STILL, I think Scully named William for Mulder's William and not her Williams for the exact reason that Ginny might let Harry give all her kids really awful names.
UGH, I WANT TO GO CRY NOW. I wish and wish that the series had just ended with Existence, because it makes sense from a narrative point of view. (Well, one that isn't Chris Carter's, I guess. I thought I had totally gotten over what I disliked about IWTB, but apparently I'm meh on it again. ANYWAY.) Have you read By Falling In and In by [personal profile] aloysiavirgata? It's probably the best fic I've read in terms of exploring what Mulder and Scully's lives would have been like if Mulder hadn't gone on the run and Scully hadn't given William away, even though it does deal with colonization so it's not exactly the kind of denial!fic I like to read when I read XF babyfic. (I've still never been to The Nursery Files, but lately I am tempted. I know this is probably a bad idea, AND YET.)

As for the HP names, I think I'm neutral on them, but I totally understand why everyone else thinks they're a bit too much, since, well, they are.

Date: 2008-12-17 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
Oh that's kindof interesting-- your dad wanted a Jr? Are you an only child?

I have read that and you pretty much articulated exactly how I feel about it-- although I don't know, the colonization at the end was kind of weirdly handled and kind of put me of it-- I hate it when they get saved because of CSM, and just kind of let the world crumble at their feet without fighting it, however unreasonable fighting it may be? And LOL, THE NURSERY FILES. I have a draft saved in gmail of all the decent to palatable stories I found there (although it was for my personal reference, so it doesn't include the faves that I will not lose/stuff that was already in my del.icio.us). If you get desperate I can send it to you and you will not have to lower yourself to the actually exploring the Nursery Files?

BUT YES, Existence. I think if they had ended it there it would not have been standing on its best foot (the way ending it with Requiem could have? Season 7 isn't greaaat, but Je Souhaite and Requiem are), but it would have been standing, where season 9 and IWTB have really really dragged it down completely. GOD, I JUST WANTED THEM TO BE HAPPY :(

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Date: 2008-12-17 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chibirhm.livejournal.com
Yeah, echoing the Jewish thing - my hebrew name is the same (but the female version) as my great-grandfather's, and my middle name (Miriam) is exactly the same as my great-grandmother's, and this formula is roughly the same for both of my siblings. I have a lot of names I love picked out, but I don't know what my children's Hebrew names would hypothetically be or who I'm marrying and if THEY are Jewish or have family names or whatever. The only thing I know for sure is that if I have a son, his middle name will be Joseph, because both my grandfathers were named that.

To be fair, though, I don't really have much of an extended family or even like the ones I have, and some of them have weird as hell old-school Hebrew names. So I don't know. MAYBE MY CHILDREN WILL GO FORTH FORGING NEW IDENTITIES. PERHAPS.

Date: 2008-12-17 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
I HONESTLY DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS A BIG JEWISH THING. My best friend was jewish and she had a jewish middle name, but only because her mom thought it sounded pretty.

I LIKE YOUR JOSEPH PLAN, THOUGH.

Date: 2008-12-17 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stop-theworld.livejournal.com
THIS POST IS EPIC. IN A GOOD WAY.

I... always intend to come back to posts like this and then I forget or get overwhelmed, so I figured I would AT LEAST say this much!

ALSO. I NEVER REALIZED THE BILL AND CHARLIE WEASLEY/SCULLY THING BEFORE AND I THINK MY MIND JUST MADE A POOFING NOISE.

Date: 2008-12-17 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
HI MY NAME IS ALEX AND I TYPE A LOT FOR NO REASON.

Bill and Charlie crack me up but no one ever finds it as funny as I do. I'M GLAD YOU DO.

Date: 2008-12-17 12:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] modernthirst.livejournal.com
My hypothetical Claire wouldn't be named after anyone but the thought that she'd share it with a TTW character does make me feel warm (though it's a different spelling).

Also I think the epilogue names were all in honor of the more major characters who'd passed/faded away and the only one Ginny could have really contributed from her side was Fred, and George gets that one.

Date: 2008-12-17 12:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
I think honoring Sirius and Dumbledore and even Snape was really important, but I also think that James and Lily were... a little much. I don't know, I do agree that it was important to honor those who had passed, it was just too much all at once.

Date: 2008-12-17 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] likespring.livejournal.com
I'm not named for anyone unless you count bands that my parents refuse to directly deny influenced my name.

But! In any case, my dad has been listening to the Harry Potter audiobooks (he wants to re-read all of them before the next movie but doesn't have time to read them, so) and while I'm in the care I listen. And while I don't think I'll like the epilogue any more this time around, the rest of it is JUST AS MAGICAL as the very first time and it's definitely making me want to get back into Harry Potter again. I don't know, I might have to re-read all of them and get back in to the fandom. It was so sad when the series ended so it would be very nice to be able to do that.

Also the names fail. Like other people have said, one or two tributes to a couple different people would be one thing. But making it EVERY SINGLE first and middle name? No one accused Harry of being original I guess.

Date: 2008-12-17 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
I'm not named for anyone unless you count bands that my parents refuse to directly deny influenced my name.
LOLING SO HARD.

Rereading is what I've been doing, I don't know what it is but all the sudden I MISS IT ALL. Too bad I can't find my Chamber of Secrets!

AND YES, exactly.

Date: 2008-12-17 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goldenmelisande.livejournal.com
I have my grandmother's middle name, and I actually like it because it was her name. Out of all of my future kid names (and they are totally planned out) only one is for someone special (my mom), but two are ~family names~ that I happened to like. And I am open to whoever I have kids with wanting to name the kids some of their family/special people's names. I just want my kids to have their own names, all of the named after names would be middle names if it's left up to me.

Also Harry's kids' names are fucking retarded, not because they're not original but because jesus christ, Albus Severus? Who DOES that?

Date: 2008-12-17 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
I definitely agree that named after names are better for middle names.

Albus Severus totally gets the sticky end of the popsicle stick, James and Lily, separately, are not so bad?

Date: 2008-12-17 12:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cambridge.livejournal.com
If I ever get a kid (which I reallyreally do not want but who knows), they will hate me because I plan on naming them Pancakes. Yes, if I do not get a pet named Pancakes, I'm probably naming my kid Pancakes. I AM SET ON THAT NAME. I am only half-kidding. Or maybe something different like Alabee, which is what Kevin Barnes from of Montreal named his kid. I think it's pretty? Although I have no clue where he got that from. OKAY I HAVE ISSUES.

Anyway, I totally agree with you on the Harry Potter thing although I actually forgot the epilogue ever existed.

Date: 2008-12-17 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
Your taste in names really really reminds me of my sister. BUT I AGREE, I doubt I want kids either.

Date: 2008-12-17 01:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dictatorcari
I swear you have the best journal on the entire internet. I am now a fangirl of you.

/creepy

THE NAME THING BOTHERS ME SO MUCH, OMG

Date: 2008-12-17 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
SO FAR THERE ARE ONLY TWO ICONS IN THE [livejournal.com profile] elapses FANDOM, BUT NOW THIS COMMENT THREAD INCLUDES THEM BOTH!

No but really, that's such a nice thing to say, THANK YOU.

BUT YES, IT'S HORRIBLE.

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Date: 2008-12-17 02:05 am (UTC)
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So I generally choose to forget that the epilogue for Harry Potter even exists because I am not a fan of OBHWF and/or ZOMG with the cliche already, but I think another one of the things that really bothered me about it was the names. I mean COME ON and get a life.

I HAD TROUBLE answering your poll though. Because I am kind of named after people, but kind of not. See, my family is Catholic and it's Catholic tradition that your children are all named after saints in some way. I'm the oldest, and my mom wanted to name me after the Virgin Mary but Mary/Maria were out because my dad has a cousin Maria who's a bitch (his exact words) and his sister is Maryann. So they decided to name me Grace after Our Lady of Grace. My middle name is Elizabeth after Lizzy from Pride & Prejudice. BUT EVERYONE IN THE WORLD'S MIDDLE NAME IS ELIZABETH, so I have added my Confirmation name into my legal name (unofficially, I suppose) because I find it lame when everyone can guess my middle name right away :-P

I have a good idea of what I might name my (VERY HYPOTHETICAL) future children and I could see myself maybe using my grandmother's name in some way because growing up, I was closer to my grandmother than I am to my mother... But probably only as a middle name.


Anyway, that is my story. Your posts = win. :D

Date: 2008-12-17 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
Oh, that's right! You were Harry/Hermione, weren't you? I was always Ron/Hermione but I, TOO, think OBHWF was much too much. And I think there's kind of a pattern of people who love Mulder/Scully and people who love Harry/Hermione...? I don't know why, but I think it's there.

That's actually really cool that you were named for Lizzy Bennett, though, I think.

Date: 2008-12-17 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anniemoon.livejournal.com
When I was 20 one of my BFFs died of leukemia at 17. I've always said that if I ever have a son I'm going to name him after my friend (Nathaniel) to honor him, but since I will not be having children it's kind of a moot point. :|

Date: 2008-12-17 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
Aww, see, that is exactly what the naming of people should be used for, I think. And Nathaniel really is a pretty name.

Date: 2008-12-17 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aliice.livejournal.com
i almost barfed when i read the "epilogue" of HP.

Date: 2008-12-17 03:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
Reaaaaaaally? I thought it was bad, but like... I guess my general feeling when I finished it was like WELL THAT WAS PURE CHEESE, but I was so grateful for the series as a whole that I felt like if she wanted schmoop, she could have it? I DON'T KNOW.

Date: 2008-12-17 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverstars.livejournal.com
I was going to be named Katherine Anne (my grandmothers are Catherine and Anna) until about 3 weeks before I was born. Then my mom decided she didn't like that anymore so the switched it to a name which honors no one. I thought it was a little strange how they went from one extreme to the other.

I'd like my kids to have middle names after family members or really close friends. My first daughter's middle name will definitely be Catherine after my grandmother. I was super close with her and she meant a lot to me. I'm really glad she had a nice name that sounds good with all of the first names I like. But seriously, even if her name was like, Hildegarde I'd use it-- that's how important she was to me. I don't know who else I'd honor though. There are a few people I'd consider, but I don't know.

AND NO I CANNOT EVEN TALK ABOUT THE HARRY POTTER CHILDREN. THOSE NAMES ARE ONE OF THE MANY, MANY REASONS I PRETEND THAT EPILOGUE DOES NOT EXIST.

Date: 2008-12-17 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
See, I think those are exactly the kind of circumstances where naming your child after someone is the loveliest thing.

OH YOU'RE HARRY/HERMIONE TOO? There are so many of you guys, WHAT.

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Date: 2008-12-17 05:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barilace.livejournal.com
I would have loved the Harry Potter epilogue if she would have included other things instead of just talk of who they married/what their kids names were. That was cute and all (yes, a tad too cute but still. aww, lmao), but I wanted to know what they were doing like "a year later" or "five years later." Something more substantial to who those characters were other than their kids names. I so wish she would have opened it up again at like Ron and Hermione's wedding where we could have found out what they were doing career wise and etc, and then she could have done "10 years later" or some shit and included the whole kids at the train station bit.

Date: 2008-12-17 07:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
I thiiiiiink my ideal Harry Potter epilogue would have been about Harry raising Teddy-- the Harry/Sirius godfather relationship they never got.

Date: 2008-12-17 05:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lissie-pissie.livejournal.com
I FUCKING HATE THE POTTER NAMES, OKAY. I ALSO KIND OF HATE HOW EVERYONE ON X-FILES IS NAMED WILLIAM. The epilogue bothered me because I would have MUCH rather seen what happened as a result of the actual war and everything. I want to know more about what the ACTUAL characters I know and love are doing for a living and stuff. As for names, I have them picked out, but I didn't pick them out beCAUSE of the person. Like the first one I just chose because it sounded pretty. The second one was one of my middle school friend's little sister's name and I just thought it was pretty. And that's paired with my grandma's middle name. And then the third one (if I have three, idk) is one of my high school teacher's first and middle names. So I guess they ARE after people but not anything like the Potters. There's no HUGE significance.

Date: 2008-12-17 07:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
I CAN DEAL WITH THE WILLIAM THING? Kinda sorta. Kinda. I don't know. What I can't deal with is when fanfic authors call him William Fox? I'M SORRY, MULDER WOULD NOT ALLOW ANY CHILD OF HIS TO CARRY ON THE NAME HE HATES. PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT ARE VERY WRONG ON THE INTERNET.

But yeah, I don't know if those actually count for being named for someone or not. I mean, no, I think your grandmother's middle name definitely does count, but... hmm.

Date: 2008-12-17 06:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vintagejoy.livejournal.com
My name is a family name but I wasn't named after anyone. I share my name with my paternal great great grandmother, and its my aunt's middle name, but my mother chose it and she doesn't have a strong link to either. She just thought it was a lovely, uncommon (at the time, at least) name.

My sister has a family name too, but hers is much the same as mine. In fact, I think my mother actually wanted to name her Matilda Rose but my dad hated Matilda, so she become Rose Monique. My sisters and I all have Dutch middle names (rather, names commanly used in Holland, as opposed to traditionally Dutch).

RE: CHUCK. Saraaaaaah. Last night was incredible! I'm glad Ellie and Awesome were there because I hate them being shafted for the (admittedly entertaining, but markedly less-awesome) Buy More crew.

Date: 2008-12-17 07:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
Aw, I like Matilda! It's got a very distinct air about it. But I love the idea of giving your kids patterned middle names-- my parents did that too.

Oh my goodness, I know, it was such an incredible episode. I cannot get over that moment at the end where Sarah walked in after everything, and then steeled her face with a smile for Chuck. There was a brief moment where I expected Chuck to swoosh in and accidentally sort of save her from that Fulcrum agent, and that would have been fine and it would have been a lovely enough episode, but then they hit us with that ton of bricks, and I just, wow. Funny how something I usually just describe as "delightful!" can be totally and completely heartwrenching sometimes.

And I agreeeeee, I was so glad Ellie and Awesome were there too, I love them so much, and it is annoying that the Buy More crew get more sideplots than they do.

Date: 2008-12-17 07:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] superskittles76.livejournal.com
BOTH of my names are to honor family members. My Dad's grandmother died before I was born and was SO sad she wouldn't get to meet me that he wanted to name me after her. My Mom's dad was all emo he didn't get a grandson (I'm the only grandchild he ever got) so she wanted to name me after him to cheer him up (he fell in love with me of course lol). Luckily they changed the spelling of their names or else I'd be Bettie Joe which is SO MUCH MORE RIDICULOUS than Betty Jo :P

I don't see anything wrong with naming your kids after people important to you, but JK took it too far with the Potters. It's just so ridiculous sounding. I agree with you, it sounds like Ginny had like, no say in it, although like you, I see where she'd be all, eh whatever let harry have his thing, but at the same time, that's crap. Maybe she'd want to name the kids after her uncles or Fred (although George did both of those lol) or something. The only one that sounds like she had a part in it is Lily Luna, which is the STUPIDEST ONE because hello, why are we honoring LUNA? You know Ginny and Harry weren't all OMG GREAT NAME so IDEK. Ugh, I haven't reread DH since it came out so I'm still irrationally angry about it all D:

TEXMEX HEE :D

Date: 2008-12-17 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
Betty Jo is definitely a lot lovelier than Bettie Joe!

Yeah, that's pretty much EXACTLY how I feel. And I KNOW, like... Luna was there, but... I have no idea what she did to manage to kid a kid named after her. It's absolutely ridiculous.

DAMN IT, now I'm craving it :(

Date: 2008-12-17 08:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dramatic-sigh.livejournal.com
My middle name is Victoria, either after some great distant Aunt (I think) or the feminine version of my Dad's middle name, which is Victor. I was told both, so it could be either or both. My brother, however, his middle name is my mothers maiden name.

At this stage in my life, there's no one I would really name future/fictional children after. It could change; maybe I'll look at my family tree and discover a kickass name (or, alternatively, a kickass great, great relative), but I suppose, with these sort of things, you never know until you're faced with that sort of choice.

(As for your examples, the dishonor of the worst case of family naming I would have come across in fiction would be Ms Myer and the demon spawn 'Renesmee', which is just another form of ridiculousness that is best forgotten. :D)

Date: 2008-12-17 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
Yeah, I agree-- I don't even forsee myself having kids, but it's hard to know at 19 whether or not I will want to pick a family name. I kind of like my grandmother's name Beverly, but... who knows?

I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT RENESMEE. That was truly horrific, I agree.

Date: 2008-12-17 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunspawn.livejournal.com
WHY IS THERE NO OPTION 'I DO NOT INTEND TO HAVE CHILDREN FOR THE SAKE OF HUMANITY'S GENERAL WELLBEING?' (and my own..)

SO.CONFLICTED.

Date: 2008-12-17 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THEORETICAL CHILDREN, HELL. I have no intention of reproducing, but I have a very vague idea of what I might name someone.
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