This is my fourth post this week, WHAT IS GOING ON
YOU GUYS I HAVE BEEN MEANING TO ASK YOU THIS FOREVER, I don't know why I never do, or even remember why I was reminded today but uhhhh, can we talk about our fictional kinks? LIKE, will you maybe think about the tropes and things that make you like fiction (any kind, from badfic to literature, from awful reality TV to your very favorite movie), the underlying message of all your favorites that ALWAYS DRAWS YOU IN. And then make me a list of them.
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- So much codependency, I cannot even express it.
- Platonic best friends, extra points if it is a big (or small) group of platonic best friends who are KIND OF LIKE A REAL FAMILY
- Earnest dudes who are REALLY REALLY IN LOVE with very emotionally complicated girls, but very willing to step aside and wait and pine while said emotionally complicated girl sorts out her feelings.
- Fathers and daughters, mothers and sons. I guess mothers and daughters and fathers and sons too, I LIKE FAMILIES, but fathers and daughters is the bottom line one.
- Domesticity, always, but (sort of?) especially from people who either aren't together in any capacity or who you wouldn't expect to be domestic.
- K the word that keeps popping in here is "genderswap", but I don't mean genderswap and I hate actual genderswap when it pops up, LIKE WHAT A WASTE OF A STORY, but sometimes I just really like it... when dudes are mom-like and girls are dad-like and girls are the stereotypical "dude" in a relationship when guys are the stereotypical "girl". THAT KIND OF THING, I DON'T KNOW.
- Ridiculous miscommuncation errors.
- Best friends who are in love, but also best friends who are not in love.
- There is this link between my favorite movie (Bringing Up Baby), my favorite book (The Crying of Lot 49 by Thomas Pynchon), and my favorite television show (The X-Files) that I cannot quite express in words, but it's like... the idea of some kind of quest, I guess. But it isn't the quest that matters, it's... maybe it is the quest. But something you have to do, that is important but separate from the rest of the world. Alone togetherness? SOMETHING. God I don't know.
- THIS ONE IS LONG AND IMPOSSIBLE TO EXPLAIN, but... I really like people whose lives get explained to them? Like. Okay, what happened is I imprinted on these two Voyager episodes at a very young age, one in which season 1 Captain Janeway gets lead around her ship by season 7 Chakotay, and another where B'Elanna has been brainwashed and Neelix has to walk her around and show her things as she slowly regains her memory. So now like, certain amnesia stories, within-a-lifetime time travel, and Christmas Carolesque stories all appeal to me to like, a gross degree.
I DON'T KNOW, there are others, I suppose, I am going to think about this too.
me
- So much codependency, I cannot even express it.
- Platonic best friends, extra points if it is a big (or small) group of platonic best friends who are KIND OF LIKE A REAL FAMILY
- Earnest dudes who are REALLY REALLY IN LOVE with very emotionally complicated girls, but very willing to step aside and wait and pine while said emotionally complicated girl sorts out her feelings.
- Fathers and daughters, mothers and sons. I guess mothers and daughters and fathers and sons too, I LIKE FAMILIES, but fathers and daughters is the bottom line one.
- Domesticity, always, but (sort of?) especially from people who either aren't together in any capacity or who you wouldn't expect to be domestic.
- K the word that keeps popping in here is "genderswap", but I don't mean genderswap and I hate actual genderswap when it pops up, LIKE WHAT A WASTE OF A STORY, but sometimes I just really like it... when dudes are mom-like and girls are dad-like and girls are the stereotypical "dude" in a relationship when guys are the stereotypical "girl". THAT KIND OF THING, I DON'T KNOW.
- Ridiculous miscommuncation errors.
- Best friends who are in love, but also best friends who are not in love.
- There is this link between my favorite movie (Bringing Up Baby), my favorite book (The Crying of Lot 49 by Thomas Pynchon), and my favorite television show (The X-Files) that I cannot quite express in words, but it's like... the idea of some kind of quest, I guess. But it isn't the quest that matters, it's... maybe it is the quest. But something you have to do, that is important but separate from the rest of the world. Alone togetherness? SOMETHING. God I don't know.
- THIS ONE IS LONG AND IMPOSSIBLE TO EXPLAIN, but... I really like people whose lives get explained to them? Like. Okay, what happened is I imprinted on these two Voyager episodes at a very young age, one in which season 1 Captain Janeway gets lead around her ship by season 7 Chakotay, and another where B'Elanna has been brainwashed and Neelix has to walk her around and show her things as she slowly regains her memory. So now like, certain amnesia stories, within-a-lifetime time travel, and Christmas Carolesque stories all appeal to me to like, a gross degree.
I DON'T KNOW, there are others, I suppose, I am going to think about this too.
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I guess I deserve it, emotional retardation is probably my actual biggest one.
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OKAY HERE IS MY LIST:
- fathers and daughters
- older brother figures (and i guess older sisters too? idk.)
- emotional retardation/allergic to feelings
- people carrying other people
- bffs who fall in love
- ridiculous pining
- platonic love of any kind but especially between a boy and a girl
- people losing things and starting over, i guess? like those fics i told you about that were exactly the same, where the main character's significant other dies, but also like that time we got really into sarah/shaw and made up that au - that's sort of the same idea.
- girls who are dudes and boys who have too many feelings
- codependency, obviously
- domesticity, especially either a) domesticity forced by ridiculous external forces or b) unwitting domesticity
- trapped together thinking they're going to die
- i am trying to figure out how to describe "harry kim" as a trope...
it is entirely possible I forgot things.
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Crying omg I was trying to do that too... THERE REALLY ISN'T A WAY TO WORD IT, but considering we have a Harry Kim v2 and a Harry Kim v3... uh. You kind of have to count it.
The one about people losing things and starting over is interesting, though, I wouldn't've thought of the Sarah/Shaw AU in those terms I guess. I mean it fits that! I guess I was just drawing on different kinks when we were coming up with that.
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It's like, losing something that meant a lot to you and having to build up a whole new life, and maybe the new life isn't the same/isn't as good, but it's good in its own way? And the other person/persons have to be really understanding/gentle about it and not force anything. I never really connected the Sarah/Shaw thing either until I was trying to figure out how to phrase it and I realized that that's a big reason why I liked them/that au idea too.
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WHY DO ALL OF OUR TROPES INVOLVE NOT FORCING THINGS
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It was rhetorical! I just think it's hilarious that so many of our kinks end in BUT HE DOESN'T PRESSURE HER INTO ANYTHING, like, to insane degrees. LOOK AT 3.5 ON THE IN LOVE WITH YOUR BFF SCALE.
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also i forgot another one, which is:
- platonic cuddling/snuggling/comforting/hugging!!!!!!
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THIS IS MY FAVOURITE. Examples (taking from your icon) would be the Golden Trio and the Marauders. Other than though, I...am not sure.
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omg this Earnest dudes who are REALLY REALLY IN LOVE with very emotionally complicated girls, but very willing to step aside and wait and pine while said emotionally complicated girl sorts out her feelings.
is like, every one of Bryan Fuller's main dudes. I usually love it but I didn't really like it in Pushing Daisies. I started to get so annoyed with Chuck.
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I like journeys and coming of age type stuff. Ie, Voyager and it's ridiculous journey home and Harry Potter's whole journey/coming of age through school and such.
Apocalyptic, end of the world, horrible future stuff. Whether it's The Giver or bad made-for-tv OH NO AN ASTEROID IS ABOUT TO KILL US ALL movies, I love seeing people struggle and survive against all odds.
Anything time travel, people misplaced or thrown into crazy situations through time and space. Hence my love of Doctor Who and Trek.
The only other major thing that's coming to me is a love for older, wiser men, who usually end up in these tales around younger women, even if it's completely platonic. Let me list for you my favorite older men: The Doctor (900 something traveling with 20 something age Earth women), Giles and Angel and Spike on BTVS, Chakotay and Riker on Trek (Paris doesn't fit this, he fits my other cute but kinda nerdy kink), Gibbs on NCIS, Remus in HP. I've got so many issues idek lmao
And then I like normal stuff like sitcoms and romcoms but I can't think of the tropes and such that I like about those.
I don't even know if any of that was what you were looking for, but it's what my brain threw up. Enjoy haha :P
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It's funny that you say "I've got so many issues" because I think there's a really interesting divide there. Like some of my tropes are definitely me having issues (DADS AND DAUGHTERS, hello) and others are just... I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THEY COME FROM, THEY ARE JUST THERE. I mean you don't like apocalyptic things because of your life, really, you just like them. I don't know what I am saying, I am going to stop.
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Also: found families, especially when it's a group of friends who celebrate holidays together (which is pretty much the same as your platonic best friends scenario, I'm such a sucker for anything about friends and shared histories and building lives together); stories that are about growing up and trying to figure things out for yourself and failing and triumphing and learning about yourself and your place in the world; secretly married or secretly dating or any sort of secrecy; faking being married or dating or any sort of relationship; relationships (platonic or romantic) that develop in weird, extenuating circumstances, like on tour buses or at war or in apocalypse situations, that kind of brothers-in-arms camaraderie that blossoms into something desperate and intense; and probably so many more things that I cannot think of right now.
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Ahhhhhh you noted so many good ones though, I love your list! UNDERCOVER MARRIEDS, who does not love that. And the extenuating circumstances one is such an interesting way to bracket that idea, I never would have thought to group together tour buses and war.
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ALSO: OLD MARRIEDS, people whose relationships are so easy and relaxed... so basically domesticity.
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AND OH GOD OLD MARRIEDS, be still my heart.
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But coming up with a list on my own? LOL FAIL. The only thing I know I like for sure is a sort of codependence where characters take care of each other. I REALLY LIKE THAT. It's not totally necessary for them to be bffs or even friends, but I really enjoy fic/shows/movies/everything where characters take care of each other or are forced to watch out for each other. Perhaps why I'm so into h/c. :D: I ESPECIALLY like it when it's women taking care of men in like a straightforward sort of way? Not like "oooooh you are a big tough MAN and you're BLEEDING let me tear up some sheets for bandages!!" but more like "ugh, again? god, stay there, I'll get the first-aid kit NO YOU CANNOT STITCH THAT UP YOURSELF :| :| :|" I enjoy that sort of thing.
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"ugh, again? god, stay there, I'll get the first-aid kit NO YOU CANNOT STITCH THAT UP YOURSELF :| :| :|"
THIS IS WHAT I ALWAYS WISHED THE MULDERTORTURE GENRE OF X-FILES FIC WOULD BE, instead it was mostly manpain.
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OH I also enjoy stories where character A is in a perilous situation and character B realizes their feelings for A either during or after the situation. Bonus: B CONCEALS THEIR FEELINGS FOR A FROM A. YESSSS UST IS THE GREATEST. I would read all the fics that do that.
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I DO TOO, but I also like it when the perilous situation causes the character B to realize their longstanding feelings! And sometimes I like the concealing, but other times I like it when the event makes B ~need~ to tell A, but they're too dumb to figure out how.
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Yes, that too! All so great. UST in all flavours is pretty great in my book UP TO A POINT. That point is never acting on the UST ever. >:| Then it's not great anymore.
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also inappropriate sexual tension between siblings. and going undercover as a couple. and bffs.
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lol you and your incest. and you and your x-files.
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YOU CAN'T BLAME ME, but you can blame eliza dushku because it is totally, totally her fault for corrupting my thirteen-year-old mind.
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THE 'YOU DON'T EVEN MAKE SENSE' SHIPS, AS IN SHE IS QUIET/UNDERSTATED AND HE IS ABRASIVE/ALMOST COLD AND THEY BRING OUT THE THINGS NO ONE ELSE BRINGS OUT THEM.
spiiiiiiiiiiiiiiies. secreeeeeeeeeeeets. mutual hatred and yet understanding of one another's nature despite/because of said mutual hatred.
sisters! the asshole girl! as in i've had enough of the emotionally stunted so called bad boys and i like the girls who are all ew feelings, let's go to a bar, baby.
I don't even know what I'm saying anymore.
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Also omg people getting thrown together under circumstances beyond their control is the actual basis for all incredible tropes.
YOUR LIST IS PRETTY DELIGHTFUL
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"What happened was: they became a team, a family of two."
"Becoming a team didn't mean the end of their arguments. But it did mean that the arguments became a part of the adventure, became discussions not threats. To an outsider the arguments would appear to be the same because feeling like part of a team is something that happens invisibly. You might call it caring. You could even call it love. And it is very rarely, indeed, that it happens to two people at the same time--"
Basically everything leads back to Mulder & Scully. Doesn't it always?
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That quote is a dead ringer, but it isn't until the last sentence that I am consumed with FEELINGS, I miss them.
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BUT SERIOUSLY THIS ENTRY IS SO PERFECT. OK. SO.
1) THE group of platonic best friends who Are KIND OF LIKE A REAL FAMILY omg yes yes yes yes yes. I THINK THIS BEGAN WITH FRIENDS FOR ME, BUT REALLY SET ITSELF IN STONE WITH SATC (with that one quote about how there are some families you are born into but others that you make or choose for yourself or something, idk I was obsessed with it for awhile during my ~emo angsty~ early teenage years, aka always angry with my born-into family looool) BUT ANYWAY I'VE STARTED TO REALIZE THAT THIS IS A COMMON THEME IN EVERYTHING THAT I WATCH/READ. BUT honestly it is not even necessarily best friends, just mismatched people who kind of all fall in with each other and fit each other perfectly and they have that unspoken love, affection, what have you to each other and they create their own family aslkd;fjas;df PERFECT
2) Any thing that has the kind of
potentialrelationship where one person is a complete ass and the other one is like WHAT EVEN DID I DO but the ass is acting that way because they are secretly ~madly in love~ with the person omg seriously it is the WORST.3) SPIES. UNDERCOVER AS A COUPLE. KICKING ASS TOGETHER. INTRIGUE. GENERAL MAYHEM.
4) ....
VAMPIRES--NON-HUMANS. BEING HOT. DOING HOT THINGS.5) So much angst. Like, ridiculous, ridiculous angst that leads to separation for years and there is so much resentment and angst and EVERYTHING but it leads to this ridiculous sexual tension and then it is just hot as unrealistic as it is that people can still be in love with each other after five years of not hearing a word from one another. IDK IDK IDK
6) Omg THIS: Earnest dudes who are REALLY REALLY IN LOVE with very emotionally complicated girls, but very willing to step aside and wait and pine while said emotionally complicated girl sorts out her feelings.
Okay I skimmed over some of the things on my favorites list on FictionPress / Fanfiction.net and........................ I JUST CAN'T LIST ANYMORE, I have no standards. I READ EVERYTHING, ugh. This just made me realize just how very sad my life is....
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1. I AGREE ABOUT NOT NECESSARILY JUST BEST FRIENDS, I mean honesty basically you can sum up my feelings on that one with "FOUND FAMILY" but for some reason for these purposes only writing "found family" seemed lazy. And yes, it... is the only one that is present in absolutely everything I am into and have ever been into. BECAUSE IT IS THE ACTUAL GREATEST
2. I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THIS ONE BUT IT MIGHT ASSIST ME IN FIGURING OUT SOME RECENT FEELINGS I HAVE BEEN HAVING....... hmm
5. This is what I think I was trying to say by miscommunication! OR PART OF IT, I am bad at words but yes omg the greatest
6. Lol your strikeout, YEAH I'M PRETTY MUCH THE SAME, don't you love how pathetically transparent some of these ~*kinks*~ end up being
LOLOLOLOLOL AT LEAST YOU DON'T SAVE FIC ON DELICIOUS... IN PUBLIC... omg I know my delicious "buddies" (I forget what you call them there...) are judging me all the time
OKAY BY THE WAY ADRIENNE, I have this one friend I think you would get along really really well with but I know you aren't always here/aren't really friending right now, so... idk. YOU WOULD LIKE HER A LOT. But it is up to you.
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1) BAAAAAAAAAAAAAASICALLY. Idk if you've heard about this show, but Leverage is the (well, it's on hiatus at the moment, but there will be three more episodes in December) EPITOME of the whole FOUND FAMILY thing. It's on TNT, and oh boy oh boy it is magnificent in encompassing this trope. I am flailing, just thinking about it.
2) ... PROBABLY THE #1 KIND OF FANFIC I READ, ngl
6) BASICALLY omg it is so sad but oh man seriously our lives
OMG I SAVE FIC ON DELICIOUS BUT KEEP IT PRIVATE BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH I DON'T HAVE ANY yeah idk what they're called either ON THERE I AM PARANOID SOMEONE WILL DISCOVER MY DELICIOUS ONE DAY AND SEE ALL THE STUFF I READ. omg I seriously wouldn't be able to handle that. SO. THEY ARE ALL PRIVATE. But they're there because I save way too much on the other sites and I obsessively tag all of them (......... BY TROPE)
I WOULD LIKE TO MEET THIS FRIEND! I just feel like I'd have to stick a warning sign on my internet forehead that says I AM NOT THE GREATEST LJ FRIEND EVER BUT I AM TRYING~ but I like new friends!!
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1. UM I HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT, and heard that it was good, vaguely, BUT NO ONE HAD PUT IT IN THOSE TERMS. Best possible endorsement, oh mannnn I cannot handle more TV right now but as soon as I feel like marathoning something... I GUESS THAT JUST SHOT TO THE TOP OF MY LIST.
OH MY GOD I TAG MINE BY TROPE TOO!!!!! It's great I love my delicious but it is also just... so full of my terrible terrible taste. AND I HAD ALL THESE PEOPLE FRIENDED/FOLLOWING/WHATEVER FROM WHEN I READ LIKE, QUALITY X-FILES AND OFFICE FIC, and now they're all too nice to unfollow me... whatever. Locking is smart though! But at the same time... I love creeping through people's deliciouses. Because I am a creep. So it feels mean to lock mine, I gotta pay it forward.
Okay well it's
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IT IS A WONDERFUL SHOW, and omg so totally, totally found family-ish it is RIDICULOUS. I mean, the premise is that a band of "bad guys" work together to help out the people without means and do good, which in itself is only interesting to a few people, idk I guess the whole Robin Hood thing isn't really that awesome, but then it's also super... A-Team? (I think that's the reference I hear the most) meets the Ocean's Eleven, etc. kind of thing, but... IDK. I guess the plot would kind of bore some people sometimes if elaborate cons and perfect timing aren't their things, but I think it is just really good television. It isn't too serious, but it isn't too funny (it kind of falls straight in the middle the way Chuck does), and the best thing is that it just doesn't take itself too seriously. So yeah, some things are like HOW EVEN DOES THIS HAPPEN, but the characters are SUPER interesting and real, and ugh it is just the RELATIONSHIPS between all of them that just slay me most. (I mean, I really like the Robin Hood thing, so idk AGAIN I HAVE NO STANDARDS) but I loooooooooove this show lots for the relationships between the characters. It is one of the few where EVERY relationship is actually developed, and not just like, 2-3. AND THE TEAM BASICALLY BECOMES LIKE, THE GREATEST OT5 IN EXISTENCE. LIKE, SERIOUSLY. AN OT5. You can ship anything/everything on this show, but it's that FOUND FAMILY thing that everyone agrees on and looooves. I mean, IT'S NOT PERFECT (the last thing I want to do is make it seem 239409234094 times greater than it actually is and then have you be ridiculously disappointed)--I JUST HAVE A LOT OF FEELINGS ABOUT THIS SHOW idk. But seriously, the show has some of the biggest tropes ever and some of my favorite tropes (UM, EMOTIONALLY STUNTED GIRL, BOY RLY IN LOVE WITH HER, people who have ~history~ and have MAJOR UST, etc. etc.) BUT THE WAY THEY DO IT, IT IS NOT LIKE... omg stop ugh, it is just fresh and new and kind of amazing. BUT IDK I AM BIASED AGAIN I JUST HAVE LOTS OF FEELINGS ABOUT THIS SHOW AND I AM CONVINCED IT CAN DO NO WRONG, SO. (OH YES and I just remembered THIS POST (http://lovebit.livejournal.com/355592.html)--aka a much better written, WITH PICTURES, argument for why one ought to watch this show, so hopefully it has you convinced to try it out).
Omg I never even thought about the possibility of creeping through peoples' deliciouses................. I usually regard myself as a major creep and am now very disappointed in myself (what is my life) but I am just TOO ASHAMED of my terrible taste in everything to unlock those particular things. I JUST CAN'T.
TY FOR THE FRIEND REC, she seems lovely and I left an awkward comment on her friends only entry in response to her comment about how awkward it was to do this and idk but seriously thank you for thinking I am even deserving of awesome friends in the first place. WHY ARE YOU SO GREAT.
(And seriously though, ARE YOU OKAY? I saw your newest post and since there was nothing for me to really contribute I just decided to come over here, so yeah, but since you said you post more when things are happening--ARE YOU OKAY? HUGS. Manymany hugs.)
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ALSO OMG ADRIENNE FRIENDS RECS FOR YOU ARE LIKE. So easy. Because so many of my friends are already friends with each other? But you and I don't have any friends in common. It's okay though, I WON'T OVERWHELM YOU, having new friends is super pressurey sometimes. When I have them it's so much harder to post about...... like, the Star Trek, and the kpop, because old friends are obligated to love me despite my shortcomings but new friends are free to judge as they please.
And omg you are so sweet to ask but yeah I'm fine! I LIKE... just had a really bad week+ of school. And by bad I mean work-heavy, not like... actually bad. And I couldn't schedule anything normal social because that would have been irresponsible, SO I JUST KEPT WASTING ALL MY STUDY HOURS ON THE INTERNET. But no last week it was like, all of my classes and my stupid internship stressing me out and I just wanted to crawl in bed and sleep forever, now it's just my stupid internship and one class, everything else has calmed down, and I sort of feel like a regular person again.