oh my god, GOOD CITRUS, where have you been all winter?

[elapses]

Sooooooooooooo I guess you could say I caught up with BSG in a sickly short amount of time. I... have been up till like four am three times this week, ick. Yay three hours of sleep? (Shut up.)


SEASONS ONE AND TWO WERE PRETTY AWESOME. Season three was kind of lackluster though? It was like... they all the sudden didn't know what they were going with everything. Especially Gaius, OH LORD, Gaius-- in the beginning he and his Head Six were hilaaaaaarious but it's like now he's the writer's personal Ken Doll who wanders around with Cylon Barbie (I had to make that joke, IT WAS TOO EASY) getting various titles thrown at him (Gaius Baltar: cylon??????, Gaius Baltar: MAN OF THE PEOPLE, Gaius Baltar: martyr!, Gaius Baltar: messiah with the fucking beard to match), I mean, wasn't the political stuff enough of a deviation from his ~brilliant~ scientific mind? He's floundering into Gary Stu territory, although... he has flaws, so maybe not. But seriously, who is this guy sleeping with to keep getting this much screentime for such useless plotlines?? I know he's a main castmember but egads.

Alsooooooooooo, there was too much Cylon stuff starting in season 3. Which feels weird to say, because I am a total Cylon apologist. Sharon and Six are my favorites! I enjoy most of the other Cylons too (not D'Anna, though, D'ANNA GOT LAME)! I get cranky when people say "frakking toasters" or are overtly racist towards cylons even though they almost have a right to be upset given that... the human race was pretty much annihilated. HA. And that "meanwhile, back on Caprica" episode with Boomer and Caprica Six at the end of season two was easily my FAVORITE. But...... the cylons wandering around being weird to classical music in their little disco ball ship is just so... lame? AND BOOMER. Ugh, she could have been so INTERESTING but she went from angry and in denial in "meanwhile back on Caprica" to ~let's occupy the human planet~. Um... okay. I mean I'm glad she's found her place among the Cylons since she obviously did not have one among the humans, but it's like they bring her out for shock value now. Sir... that one's Boomer. Boomer has voted against her model! I... don't know. I think they could have pulled off the New Caprica occupation a lot better in general if they hadn't ~shown the Cylons' motivations~.

At the same time though I like the Cylon civil war stuff and the new potential alliance (ALTHOUGH OKAY, what the hell did Roslin think she was going to gain from breaking the terms of the alliance and taking D'Anna for herself???? You lie to your allies and then... who knows how they react? Aren't you... kind of at their mercy when you're on their baseship?) and none of that could have happened if they hadn't had the weird ~cylon ship~ stuff so... yeah. I think it's just a case of season 4 > season 3. Whaaaaaaatever.

Ha so like I said Sharon is my favorite! I think it's already clear that I was crazy overinvested in Boomer but OHMYGOD ATHENA, I LOVE HER EVEN MORE. She's just so fiercely protective of their little... Agathon unit, and there's this vulnerability and sadness and ugh she is SO GOOD, why isn't there more of her? And Heloooooooooooooo, I don't think I've ever had a character before where I have to grin like, EVERY TIME THEY ARE ONSCREEN, but Helo brings that out in me. He just! I don't even think I can articulate my love for him. His face! His sense of justice! His everything! WHY ARE YOU SO GREAT, KARL AGATHON. I confess though: my love for them kind of gets in the way of enjoying other characters because EVERYONE WAS AWFUL TO THEM. And of course that's part of their struggle and why they are so lovely (they're just so happy after... everything!!!) buuuuuuut ugh, the way Roslin showed little to no remorse for faking Hera's death (I mean wait, I can almost understand why she did that in the first place: because it WAS risky to let the Cylons know about Hera and that was the safest way THEN) made me want to hit things. Like... her, in my computer screen.

I love Six too, in like... every incarnation ever, especially Caprica Six. (SHUT UP SAM, IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE SHE'S TALL BLONDE AND PRETTY). ALTHOUGH WHAT, Tigh is sleeping with her now and she's pregnant? That's... so weird. Every time I'm reminded it's like "......oh". I mean I guess it has to do with the seeing-Ellen-in-her-face thing, but WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. Also Caprica Six! Her love for Gaius was such a big part of her characterization! And now :( I guess I do understand that the pregnancy itself was important because the cylons can now reproduce by simple procreation blah blah blah, and what other cylon had the authority to dismiss the guards for long enough to sex her up in her cell, but... WHAT THE FUCK OH MY GOD, TIGH? Also like... Caprica/Anders, maybe? Maybe???? I would've liked that better. Or wait, Anders and Tory were sleeping together, THEY could have had ~the baby~.

Ha, the final four were so... I don't know. It was almost anticlimatic! I think Tyrol was a bad choice, him secretly being a cylon all along undermines his character arc with Boomer. I mean it doesn't because he didn't know, but... it still kind of does. ALSO WASN'T IT STRANGE THAT ALL THE LEADERS OF THE RESISTANCE ON NEW CAPRICA WERE SECRETLY CYLONS??? I mean with two of them it wold have been funny, but ALL OF THEM? It's almost silly! I like Tigh as a cylon though (especially with Ellen! I... kind of love Tigh/Ellen? Is that weird? I wanted to kill her for a really long time but then I ended up really enjoying her right before she died) and I think Tory was a good choice too because they needed one of the four to be less... I don't know. Resistant to her cylon nature? Tied to her human loyalties? (Also ahahaha her killing Cally, god DAMN I hated that girl.)

I'M SO CURIOUS ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING WITH THE FINAL FIVE, THOUGH, and this whole Earth and thirteenth tribe and two thousand years ago mess. And how they all got to the colonies and how those Cylons are mixed up with the other seven cylons? I actually think they're doing really well fixing a plot they kind of botched? Does that even make sense? For awhile it was like... oh. So I guess you're only showing us the cylon models we already knew about? Which is kind of ridiculous given then nature of ~occupation~? ...I mean, nice dramatic storytelling, but it doesn't make sense. ALSO, remember how Boomer knew there were eight other cylons hidden in the fleet? Yeah. So then in season three they were trying to fix the fact that only seven/twelve were... doing things, with that little D'Anna and Gaius and the ~search for the final five~ plotline and that was kind of yawny BUT SUDDENLY IT'S MAKING SENSE AND WORKING AND BEING AWESOME AGAIN WITH THIS CRAZY EARTH STUFF. Except for the Boomer bit (final five + D'Anna the reporter + priest dude + ????? = eight?), but whatever, I suppose we can disregard that. Maybe she was lying to save Chief because she really didn't know.

Ha, when they found desolated Earth I half thought they should just end the series with a Firefly crossover. We destroyed Earth, so we found a new system, and I guess you colonies refugees can come live with us here now! WOULD THAT NOT HAVE BEEN THE CRACKIEST, MOST HILARIOUS ENDING TO A TV SERIES EVER? I know, total flight of fantasy though.

Ummmmm, Lee and Kara? I don't know, I go back and forth on them like crazy. Sometimes they're like, delightfully fucked up and sometimes it's just like, god, WHO EVEN CARES (~you won't cheat, i won't divorce~, YOUR LIVES: SO HARD. OH THAT REMINDS ME THOUGH, Kara "your life: so hard"ing Lee was THE MOST WONDERFUL THING, I lol'd forever). Lee/Dee was like... almost interesting for a millisecond in the beginning when it was like "whoa, WHAT, where did that come from, I thought Dee's place was being adorable with Billy" (POOR, SWEET LITTLE BILLY) but after that it was just... torture. (You know I always do that! Like lame ships for half a second when they pop out of nowhere and are strangely intriguing -- I am thinking specifically of Wayne/Cheryl in Outrageous Fortune but no one is going to get that reference because neither veils nor missyahtzee watch BSG) When they went on a date in the midseason premiere it was very "GOD, NO, THIS SHIT WAS OVER" but then... she killed herself, HOLY CRAP? That was a craaaaaaazy good storytelling choice, it was so WTF in the best possible way. Although I kind of loved Dee a lot when she was not off being lame with Lee, so, um :( But yeah Lee and Kara! I... don't even know. The thought of actively shipping them now just... exhausts me. Maybe they will make a comeback though, time will tell. But remember how I was worried about Lee disappointing me? ...he did. SIGH, LEE, YOU WERE SO PRETTY AND HILARIOUSLY SELF-RIGHTEOUS IN THE BEGINNING and now you're mostly just lame unless you're running around the ship being badass with Kara. (THESE LAST TWO EPISODES WERE CRAZY INTENSE AND AWESOME, BY THE WAY.) OH, AND this Kara-is-dead-on-the-planet plotline is going to be delicious and awesome, I think, I AM CRAZY CURIOUS.

Anyway... that was a fun ride. I'm kind of glad I waited so long, actually, because I don't have to wait forever to figure everything out but I still get to participate in the end, I guess. Also um: I already asked stop_theworld about this but I was too lazy to follow her advice: but is it actually worth going back and watching webisodes and Razor? It... seemed like they were not about things I would care too much about :/

Comments

[modernthirst.livejournal.com]

GAH, SORRY, I HAD TO STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS TO HAVE A FLAIL CELEBRATION OVER THE FACT THAT YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY AS ME ABOUT HELO.

EFF YES, I HAD A FEELING THAT WOULD HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[modernthirst.livejournal.com]

Okay finished. Wait, most of this is negative! You did love it...right?

[elapses.livejournal.com]

Oh shoot, I didn't mean to be that whiny. But yes I mostly did! I just... really didn't like season 3. BUT ONE AND TWO! And they are on a fucking roll with four. IT'S JUST STRANGE, because for once I think I'm almost more attached to the storyline than most of the characters (THERE ARE OF COURSE EXCEPTIONS) which NEVER EVER EVER HAPPENS.

[aliice.livejournal.com]

i must agree. i've had major problems following Bsg after s2 (kind of like Lost). i just occasionally watch it now.. and do not know what's going on but hahahaha
do you shiiiiip anyone? (hahaha i had to ask)

[elapses.livejournal.com]

I SHIP HELO AND SHARON WITH LIKE EVERYTHING IN ME. Other than thatttttt I... only kind of do?

[tenacious-err.livejournal.com]

Lol, so do you like it?

I find it interesting that the things in the show I like but don't love you love. I'm very pro-Roslin and Adama/Roslin, personally. I like Helo/Athena (AND OH MY GOD WHEN THEY TOOK THEM AS PRISONERS? I WAS VERY VERY UNHAPPY, DUDE.) and I did an on and off thing with Kara/Lee. But right now I'm on with them. BECAUSE THEY ARE AWESOME.

[elapses.livejournal.com]

I... do! It is strange though how ensemble shows are always so diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks because like... it seemed like everyone I knew was very pro-Adama/Roslin and I am pretty ambivalent about them. OH MY GOD YES THOUGH, the guyyyyyyy who was going on about raping Sharon in last week's? HOLY CRAP, SO MUCH ANGER. That episode was a fucking emotional rollercoaster all across the board though.

Haaaaaaa! I was just thinking about how nice Kara and Lee were in like, season one, where mostly they just acted eight years old when they were together. I miss that! They have been kind of nice lately.

[stop-theworld.livejournal.com]

OH MY GOD I AM ON WITH THEM TOO RIGHT NOW. LSKDFJLSKFJDS BECAUSE. WHEN KARA IS AWESOME AND ASS-KICKY, SHE BELONGS WITH LEE. ♥

[famousdeaths.livejournal.com]

I totally agree about everything you said about s3. I like the beginning of the season with the resistance and Kara and Leoben and that fucked version of playing house and the GALACTICA DROPPING FROM THE SKY AND OMG MOST BADASS MOMENT EVER, but as soon as the Disco Basestar showed up the show lost me a bit - I laugh every time the Cylon ship shows up.

And the Baltar trial was just silly. I don't really remember much about it, but I remember being very much Not Convinced by Lee's defense. I think it all made sense but I seriously couldn't see those people letting Baltar go. Like, EVER. So it all sounded fake to me.

And now that I think about it, everything about s3 gave me Not Convinced thoughts. I remember fandom being all OMG IS KARA DEAD? And not even for a second I thought she was. The whole Bob Dylan thing made me laugh and I totally thought they were messing with us and that Tigh, Tyrol, etc weren't really cylons. I still think RDM pulled this one out of his ass and it still pisses me off. :(

[elapses.livejournal.com]

I like the beginning of the season with the resistance and Kara and Leoben and that fucked version of playing house and the GALACTICA DROPPING FROM THE SKY AND OMG MOST BADASS MOMENT EVER
YES! It started off fun but then it kind of denigrated into... weird and random. Ugh, stupid Cylon ships.

GOD I KNOW RIGHT. Lawyer!Lee was RIDICULOUS. ~I think I'll go FIGHT 4 WHAT'S RIGHT NOW~. His speech was fine, whatever, but certainly not enough to get Baltar off scot-free. Also Baltar's actual lawyer was SO ANNOYING, I wish they'd stop bringing him back. The episode where he was brought on board to figure out who should be president in Roslin's was ridiculous, it was so obvious they were just going to pick Lee.

ANYWAY YES. I agree with your whole comment.

[sailtonorway.livejournal.com]

I agree with all of your thoughts!!! Yeah s3 wasn't so great; I haaated the sudden fast forward a year later (I hate that in general, but still) - it just felt so off! Apparently Ron D. Moore and David Eick kind of just write as they go - they know how they want to end it but the in-between stuff can get rusty.

And yessss about Gaius. I really liked him in S1 and S2 but then he got a little ridiculous in S3 and S4. I do get that he seems like a Gary Stu because he gets everything he wants and no real repercussions for it.

KARA AND LEE ARE SO FRUSTRATING YET SO AWESOME. Like, I want them to have a functional relationship but I know that won't happen because there's so much between them but it's also like, GET IT TOGETHER ALREADY, THE WORLD'S OVER.

[elapses.livejournal.com]

Apparently Ron D. Moore and David Eick kind of just write as they go - they know how they want to end it but the in-between stuff can get rusty.
Yeahhhhhhh, I figured. It seemed really tight and well-focused and we-know-exactly-where-we're-going-with-all-of-this in the beginning, but the further you get along the more certain plotlines kind of... flounder along? But it seems like now with the end in sight it's all working for them again. YAY.

GET IT TOGETHER ALREADY, THE WORLD'S OVER.
RIIIIIIIIIIIGHT? Ugh. I don't even know what to do with them anymore, they've got this certain undefinable OTPness about them, but there are so many different weird layers of fucked upedness now and most of them aren't even fun layers :(

[stop-theworld.livejournal.com]

I HAVE SO MUCH TO SAY ABOUT THIS but in a little while. BUT SLDKFJS. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOUR SPEEDINESS. IN A GOOD WAY.

WATCH RAZOR; IT IS AMAZING. And I didn't think I'd like it much because I'm not a huge fan of things that don't feature a lot of Roslin and/or Adama and/or Tigh? But I LOVED it; it's incredibly well done. The webisodes, eh. Whatever.

[elapses.livejournal.com]

HAAAAAAAAAAA I KNOW RIGHT IT'S KIND OF SICK AND SAD. I've been social three times TOTAL this week (although being sick helped with that). Wtf, self.

Okay okay okayyyyyyy. I was having the same "but I don't think I'll like it that much!" thought process, except, you know, with Helo and Sharon, so... IF YOU LIKED IT DESPITE THAT, I GUESS MAYBE I WILL.

[goldenmelisande.livejournal.com]

HELO HELO HELO OMG. AND ATHENA! AGATHONS! They are my very favorite part of BSG, jesus. I love Kara and Lee but half the time I want to punch them both in the face and tell them to get the fuck over themselves.

I haven't watched S4 at all but I was SO UPSET when I heard about Dee, I LOVE HER. I don't even care about the whole thing with Lee, I just really like her a lot and she got so fucked over as a character. I feel like fucking over characters is BSG's biggest weakness.

Do you like Roslin? I think I am unpopular in this but I HATE HER SO MUCH. AND ADAMA. I CANNOT STAND EITHER OF THEM. :|

[elapses.livejournal.com]

YOUR BILLY ICON IS ADORABLE, OMG. Where are the best places for BSG icons, anyway? I'm having a really hard time finding Agathons icons I like.

I LOVE HER TOOOOOOO, but her death was... I don't know, it's hard to explain but I liked it. Like it was CRAZY and unexpected and JUST, HOLY CRAP. I agree about characters getting fucked over, though, man.

Hahaha I DO NOT LIKE HER BUT I WAS TRYING TO BE DIPLOMATIC because she tends to be a fave around the flist. I like Adama, though, just... I don't know. MOSTLY I WISH THERE WERE MORE AGATHONS.

[goldenmelisande.livejournal.com]

blindbeats, schmiss, iconseeyou, toastandtea, xtatiq, but idk about Agathons. Not a lot of people icon them that I know of, IT'S A SAD STORY. I think _jems_ and winter_baby made a few.

Well I haven't gotten to it yet so I might agree with you then. It just makes me upset that fandom HAAAAAAAAAATES her, I know the Billy thing was shitty but idk she was cute and sweet and PRETTY OMG. Sooooo pretty.

THAT MAKES ME HAPPY. I pretty much never talk about BSG but like EVERYONE loves Roslin and idk, I think she's a bitch. And Adama isn't as bad for me but he's pretty much a tool who is mostly a douche to his son, CAN'T HE SEE THAT LEE IS A DELICATE DANDELION GOD. Kara is douchey to Lee too but at least her douchiness involves hot making out/sex/sexually charged boxing scenes. ADAMA'S JUST HAS BAD FACIAL HAIR.

[elapses.livejournal.com]

BLERGGGGGGG, why would you icon other people and not Helo and Sharon? STUPID ICON MAKERS >:(

The Billy thing came at like... a time when everyone was fucking around on everyone, though. I don't know, I kind of got the impression Billy/Dee was too sweet to have real substance (it seemed like they were always having spats when there was more to focus on than gazing, which is, you know, ALL THE TIME in space wars) and that his proposing was sort of strange and out of the blue. I do think she married Lee a lot because of what happened to Billy though, it's like she had to make it... worth it. I DON'T KNOW. I LOVE HER TOO :( SHE WAS CUTE AND SWEET AND PRETTY.

UGH, CATHERINE, the way she laughed when Adama asked her about Hera. There was no remorse. Even he couldn't look at her. I know the point of her character is moral ambiguity and the fact that she's willing to do anything for the sake of the race, but I don't find her purpoted badassery badass so much as it's just... ruthless. But like... Lee is a douche too, so I'm okay with that aspect of Adama. (Although during that really random fat!Lee subplot when he makes the little dig about Lee's weight it's kind of like... "REALLY?") BUT I LOVE IT WHEN THEY'RE ALL FAMILYISH TOGETHER, THOUGH, I DO.

[goldenmelisande.livejournal.com]

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuugh, ROSLIN. I think that ruthless is definitely the right word for her, to me it's not badass as much as cruel and over the top. And idk, Lee has never bothered me that much. I mostly just lol at him/feel bad for him and his daddy issues and his Kara issues and his democracy issues. Adama is just an asshole and I feel a lot less sympathetic towards him. Actually kind of everyone on BSG is an asshole, I think the reason I love Helo so much is that he's a good guy. He's just so decent and upstanding and that is SO RARE on this show.

[elapses.livejournal.com]

Actually kind of everyone on BSG is an asshole, I think the reason I love Helo so much is that he's a good guy. He's just so decent and upstanding and that is SO RARE on this show.
EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY. Oh my god I'm so glad you agree, he just... everything about him.

Um, re: Lee, I meant "douche" in a lulzy way. He doesn't really bother me, it's just kind of like, GOD YOU'RE SILLY, LEE ADAMA.

[goldenmelisande.livejournal.com]

IT MAKES ME SOOOOOO HAPPY THAT WE SHARE OPINIONS ON THIS, SERIOUSLY.

LOL YES okay that is how I feel, too. Except I'm kind of oddly defensive about him at the same time? Idk he is endearing. And he has nice arms.

[elapses.livejournal.com]

I don't suppose you happen to have any Agathons fic recs? I can't find anything I like all that well and it's DEPRESSING.

UM, NOT JUST THE ARMS, EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM IS PRETTY DAMN HOTSAUCE. Oh, Jamie Bamber, you ARE a pretty man.

[goldenmelisande.livejournal.com]

I think this (http://moodfic.livejournal.com/76020.html) is the only fic I have in my memories, but I'll look through really quickly and make sure.

OKAY YES THAT IS A TRUTH FACT. HE HAS A REALLY NICE BRITISH ACCENT TOO. I SORT OF WANT TO WATCH THAT BRITISH L&O SHOW TO SEE IF HE MAKES OUT WITH MARTHA JONES.

[elapses.livejournal.com]

THANK YOU!

He doesssssss. I kind of want to too, but... ew, Law & Order.

[annalouwho.livejournal.com]

AGATHONS! AGATHONS! THE FIGHTING AGATHONS!
may i please pimp out my sharon/helo fanmix (http://community.livejournal.com/__beananon/15736.html) to you?

haha, wow, you really did catch up fast. i'm so impressed. and happy! but, my god, you wrote so much, i don't even know what else to say! i love the first half of season 3, but it definitely fell apart after "rapture"; gaius is mostly annoying, but i genuinely love him when he's brooding, introspective, or self-loathing; lee/kara... i don't really give a shit; i like kara with sam way more, but i think ultimately she can't "be" with anyone; boomer breaks my heart; season 4 is incredible; and "downloaded" is my favorite episode too!

what do you think of my boy galen? you didn't write much about him.

[elapses.livejournal.com]

Oh thank you for pointing that out to me, I'm excited to check it out! I'm tryyyyyying to find whatever's been made for them because THEY'RE REALLY LOVELY! But there doesn't even seem to be a centralized community to rifle through. Way to make things difficult, fandom.

but i think ultimately she can't "be" with anyone
I agreeeee, and that's part of why shipping Lee/Kara doesn't seem to be worth the effort. Also because Lee is annoying at least 50% of the time. But he's less annoying around her, so... DILEMMA.

I like him a lot, but I don't love him. I mean he's a stand-up guy which seems to be an increasing rarity, and I've been enjoying his storylines more now that Cally's not... around him too much of the time. He's lovely though! I can see why he would be a favorite.

[manasseh.livejournal.com]

I told you Helo was awesome. :D TBH I think if they kill him off in the last season people will fucking riot.

I heard Razor was rly good, but I never got around to watching it either so... idk.

[elapses.livejournal.com]

YOU WERE SO RIGHT. And I hope that's true, because I might shed actual tears if he doesn't keep living and being beautiful :(

[manasseh.livejournal.com]

I actually think they CAN'T kill him. Wikipedia says (ino, ino):

"Like many of the characters on the series, his name has its origins in ancient Greece, Agathon being the name of an Athenian tragic poet. The Greek proverbial phrase kalon k'agathon ("the beautiful and the good") — also written as kalos k'agathos — was used to describe the ideal man, the epitome of both aesthetics and ethics."

SO IF THEY KILLED HIM OFF THEY'D BE KILLING OFF THE IDEAL. DDDDDD: lol I'm so involved it's not even funny

[elapses.livejournal.com]

HE IS IDEAL THOUGH, he's so... righteous and moral and hot good. If the show ends well it's going to have to end with some kind of human/cylon reconciliation, and they JUST CAN'T DO THAT without Karl Agathon to tell everyone when they're being assholes.

[praedial.livejournal.com]

SIGH.

I love you!