[identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com 2009-06-15 03:24 am (UTC)(link)
SO MANY KICKASS LADIES FAIL AT BEING KICKASS, though? I guess I'm talking about movies more than TV, ohmygoddd I AM SO SICK of the token "kickass" lady in an action film. I was watching League of Extraordinary Gentlemen last night (not of my own accord, if I had known that was what they were watching I WOULD NOT HAVE GONE OVER TO MEGAN'S HOUSE) and... Mina is so blah, and SHE IS THE ONLY GIRL. And she's supposed to be a cool scientist who beats people up while ~wearing leather~, aaaaaaaand I just. Give me Donna Moss over that any day.

And okay I do know that when you said "kickass" ladies you meant my kind of Donna/CJ/Scully/all the others kickass and not... lame action movie kickass, IT JUST INSPIRED A SIDE RANT. I don't know. I am not really disappointed in the ratio itself, so much as I am disappointed in the ratio + the fact that Uhura, though awesome, COULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH MORE AWESOME. You know? Am I crazy?

[identity profile] allibabab.livejournal.com 2009-06-15 07:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Not crazy at all! Unless we're both crazy, in which case whatever, because I totally agree with you. Uhura definitely had the potential for awesome but they didn't do much to flesh out any opportunities for her to show it off. I felt like she kind of just operated as something of a romantic object in this movie? But my guess is that they'll make more movies since this one was so popular -- is another one already in the works? I wouldn't know -- so hopefully they'll amp up the awesome next time. As long as she doesn't turn into the aforementioned supposed-to-be-awesome-lady-who-turns-out-to-be-kind-of-lame.

Speaking of exceptionally NOT AWESOME "KICKASS" ladies, have you seen... what's it called, that semi-recent Will Smith movie? Um. Hancock! TALK ABOUT A LAME-ASS GAL. Charlize Theron had the potential to be very awesome and she BLEW IT. Although, okay, she didn't specifically, but whoever wrote her character gave her this powerful, intelligent, aggressive personality and also the ability to save the world a la Hancock himself, buuuuut she preferred to settle down and have kids instead. WHICH, WHAT. Like, I'm coming off as sounding so anti-family and anti-kids which I'm not, but isn't that just such a stereotype? There's this guy and this girl and they have equal world-saving capabilities but of course the woman feels incomplete without a family and the guy's good to just go out and do his duty without that. How unfair to both genders, really!

Also, uhh, sorry if you haven't seen the film and I've just ruined the whole thing for you. It wasn't a great film anyway, though, so... :D?

[identity profile] elapses.livejournal.com 2009-06-15 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I felt like she kind of just operated as something of a romantic object in this movie?
Yes, EXACTLY, and I think part of the reason I dislike/resent Spock/Uhura (aside from the part where THEY WERE BORING TOGETHER) is because ~having a relationship with Spock~ was... basically what Uhura got to do in the film. LAME. I don't know if they have one in the works already, but it does seem like there will be more. I am not going to pass too much feminist judgment on them until I see that one -- they had a lot to establish here, etc. And if I trust JJ with anything, it is the ladies.

I HAVE NOT, but I probably would never have gotten around to it anyway, so no worries! That does sound obnoxious -- WHY ARE FICTIONAL LADIES ALWAYS OVERCONCERNED WITH THE TICKING OF THEIR BIOLOGICAL CLOCKS? I am so sick of that trope -- you are so right, it is unfair to both genders.